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Subject: post-redemption: small & sweet, or large & merky, or large & sweet*) ?
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Hi [jew],

Just wanted to say (for truth sake) I've changed some text that
suggested everyone in the holy land unite in the new model, because
of this tremendous threat that people who really don't want to do
a righteous nation get in it anyway, only for the sake of 'gaming'
it. They will bother with that gaming, because they know how important
it all is (they might not bother with another nation to do this.)

It now reads the opposite. I agree with you that it is probably very
important not to have 'bad people' in the mix. The issue of how to
separate the more from the less suited seems very problematic to say
the least. However it is not impossible. What can help is austerity,
if life is harsh and difficult somewhere, many people would leave.

It is bothersome to hear that 2/3rds where added to Israels number,
because such a large addition would have made a true state democracy
an absurdity, if those 2/3rds added did not want to live a true life.
I thought it was just a few, but this is impossible to correct then.
If this is really true, then Israel is also not (very) guilty over
the golden calf or asking for a king. This should mean Israel deserves
another chance.

We can already start up this new nation right now, within the old one.
We can do this through either party-formation, or by 'playing the new
system inside the old, without claiming sovereingty (yet).' For that
use a different color rank symbols (not white/blue, which mean sovereignty),
and continuing to respect the knesset and supreme court for as long as
that seems necessary to prevent state-terrorism and so on.

This may be a way to separate the good from the bad: persue this, the
neo-greek state might react violently, then try to grow anyway. Those
who really want to will stay until death even, the others might cower
away into the recesses of the hellenist state. Then, once we attain
or declare (local) sovereignty, we will be in a position to separate
those who where with us and those who chose to not help us and organize
with us. I think this ha a chance of working, and the amount of infiltrated 
secret agents is probably not going to be very extreme because I doubt
the Israeli government may not possess many hundreds of thousands of
secret agents for this purpose (though I would worry about that possibility).
Anyway: we may find out who where secret agents (maybe heaven will help),
then we can scratch those from citizenship too.

Thanks for worrying about this erev rav stuff, I think you are absolutely
right. We should go for pure, small, simple & sweet: the example nation
(at least for the white, brown and yellow peoples).

The whole issue is that 'the bad people' understand far too well how
important it is, how important the example of Israel is in the world.
This motivates them to infiltrate and try to destroy it I think. Why
else would they bother with another nation that goes into ways they
don't even like like this.

Moshe of course thought he could turn some people away from 'the circle
of evil,' but this may simply have not been possible. He thought he
could save them, help them, and they used that good will to destroy the
(observance of the) Torah of Israel.

We have these autistics too, we should ask them about these strategies
as well. Remember what happened when Israel failed to ask HKB'H advice:
some cities where left unconquered, and this too broke the unity of
Israel and created slavery (water bearers). If the autistics say 'no,'
I'd be inclined to follow in that, even blindly, but only if they all
say the same thing. It becomes a tactical situtaion with strategic
outcomes, this is dangerous so we need all the help possible.

http://www.socialism.nl/post/002/083-Palestinian-Israel.flag.html

[quote]
   Combination Palestinian / Israeli flag, considdering that the usual
   'flag of Israel' is a zionist symbol (?), flag of the neo-Roman state
   of Israel. Trying to show a combination with Constitutional peace
   flag, this is with a combination Palestinian/arab + Israeli flag.
   Trying not to take sides that's all, considdering both sides behave in
   wrong ways (imho); if not in war, then in law.

   In theory there isn't a problem with either flag (the colors of the
   current flag of Israel are the same as the sovereign use of rank
   symbols in this system). People who can debate an issue reasonably,
   take a loss in a vote, not lie, not vote cliquesh or start clique
   wars, not steal: such people would be ideal to live in this
   constitutional model with an absolute state democracy, and
   democratized businesses.

   I think it would be preferable to have a 'small and sweet' state under
   this law-model, mostly or exclusively with people who are very well
   suited for it, then to make it large and therefore maybe militarily
   and economically more powerful, but suffer instability if there are
   many people in it who really aren't too well suited for this model. To
   make it small and sweet means it will be a much more potent example of
   the model, show much more strongly how the model works with a well
   meaning people. Or to show what a well meaning honest people can
   achieve for themselves if having a good set of constitutional laws, so
   that other people might think: honesty may not be so bad after all,
   look what they got in return.

   Small and sweet is best, but it then really be sweet. Really sweet.

   (...)

        [Attempt at scenic drawing: Constitutional Peace flag above
   Palestinian-Israeli flag combination blowing in the wind on pole, on a
                         green horizon with a home]
[/quote]

regards,
jos boersema (aka moshiach lo melech, /not/ Melech HaMoshiach: not not not!)

PS
Do me a favor if you will: never sell money for profit, ever, don't do
any heter iska or prozbul (they are lies, crafty lies that put Israel
down).

Question: is there any Rabbis who can be trusted ? I note they all
teach 'heter iska' and 'prozbul.' Doen't this mean they are all bad ?
See: what do I know. **)

I believe the above plan can be done. I'm afraid of rabbi control,
so it's probably best that it's controlled by its own control systems.
The constitution has its own power-structure, it doesn't need rabbi
involvement.

Israel committed another 'sin' I saw on the Internet: she is finding
children who have 'leadership capacity,' and then trains them to be
leaders. This is very much not the torah. Young people who show leadership
capacity tend not to be good leaders when older imho, rather they are
less good at leading. It is more dominance then making good decisions.
It may be that the 'erev rav' use these schemes to maintain control
over Israel, by using 'rough children' and give them a leg up in power,
so they can later dominate the more meek people, and prevent those from
being good and persue the truth. This is all also sad for those children
targeted for 'leadership' (ugh), i guess, who get used for political
posturing by adults (no less).


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*)  Large & sweet may not be possible, depends on the people.
**) Nothing, very little.
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