. . Subject: Re: don't ask for favors, demand the power ... *be* the power. . . . . . . > ... Is there even anyone here presently, who undertands what that means ? Probably not. It means that a generalized wage demand accross the board of all industries may be sacrificed for steps and effort to press out of power the corporate owners such as legacy owners and capital owners or buy owners, at the benefit of all forms of labor power in each individual corporation. It is going toward a system of: - Total labor control per company, in a free market setting, which implies competition between labor owned companies as well (which because of its nature will be a less harshly fought competition then between business tyrants (not specifically because of social concerns, but because of the profit structure of a democratic business, which is different: its optimum size is smaller.)) - An absolute state democracy with absolute transparency, no holding back. The power will be in de protocol and the people must keep it good, or else ... or else the nation could fall into chaos and then tyranny. The responsibility to keep the state an absolute democracy is part of having the absolute power over it. Don't want to do the houskekeeping of the state, washing out the corrupt, the evil, and the incompetent ? Better bowe to Ceasar and hope for a tip. - Control over capital would be seded to that Government. Remaining financial services are restructured to become a service industry without power over other businesses (no lending). Such businesses would then of course fall under internal democratization. This can mean something for practical demands here/now. It can mean no increase in wages is even demanded, but effort goes to set up new democratized businesses and attempts are made to make it gain great market share and labor market share. An interesting way to boost democratized businesses is by direct labor market support. That way you can litterally pull the rug out of competitors, who implode from lack of personell. If they where tirannies, it's not a loss but a profit. In other sectors maybe it means very high labor wage demands in an effort to crush profitability for capital owners. Not directly with a view to make labor richer, but in an effort to crush the power leverage of existing owners and financiers. This is very much, very much, a class struggle against the ruling class; almost as much as it is a struggle to empower that labor class. Once the power is gained, you have to ask nobody for any favors, but you are in a position to award yourselve all the favors you have financial capability for (currently controlled by the ruling class.) Thing thing carries some risk, because you go to supporting the division of labor into corporations, some of them will have more profit then others. Some trades will be able to make more money then others. This can undermine the ideological unity, at some point 'of the people,' when w estart to get near the point where the ruling classes have disintegrated and are subsumed and absorbed by the labor class (ruling class members, owners, passive power brokers, become active labor in this system). Maybe the new absolutely democratic state can form a new sense of unity, since all people are united in that system, even if they are divided into competing companies (and in many case not competing, the cleaning corporation is after all working hand in glove with hotels, and taxi driver companies are cooperating with anyone not in that sector; and may even to a degree cooperate with competing businesses if that is costumer friendly, which it very well could be). In this system you would get away from asking for better training, asking for higher wages, better benefits; you'd constantly ask for the power to organize things yourselve. Give me the power to organize better training; no not give it, but I'll demand it; no not demand it but simply take it (which may take the form of new corporations and triking the others into bankruptcy.) When you ask for power, you directly confront the ruling class in their essense, so be prepared to fight. To go bankrupt their operations if need be. It is somewhat of a different strategy and end goal, then attempting through great sweeping laws to keep the peace and unity accross all corporations and even industries. I figure it's good to know what you'll get into with this, because once you start you better be prepared to finish it great, or wouldn't it end up a wreck along side the road. Despite this sounding quite millitant, it is always important to remain reasonable by the way, within the law where possible, play for the long haul and be ready any moment to retreat. Maybe for years this strategy should be put on hold at times, anything is possible. The truth is with this system, that means in the end we ought to win. Fairer wage in the end is going to come from people preferring fair prices in great majority, then the circle would be completed. It is a free market strategy, a democratic one rather then an anarchist/chaos one; a caring free market ideology rather then a war of all against all Darwinian jungle free market ideology (aka capitalism.) I hope some day a few people from the actual labor class read this. Maybe one day capitalism would again show its real face, and then they'll know: that monster doesn't have a lot to offer (something that seems a little forgotten, but it will no doubt come back; the beast can't hide its nature for long can it.)