. . Subject: Re: the difference between USA & Holland . . . . . . . . . > ... [...] > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... You only attempted to secure a patch of Europe before the Russians would take it all, but you cleverly waited until the Russians did all the real dying in that war so you could take it cheaper. If you choose to demand being honored, this is what you'll get. The crimes your nation has done since WW2 are unimaginable, by now you are the worst nation on the planet, you are the new Nazi Germany. You better get on the resistance for social justice on your own Continent, which you lost, you lost your nation. I can tell you why but it would only bore you. I was just now reading a little on people that are /finally/ waking up that something needs to be /done/: Part VI: How to Fight Back and Win: Common Ground Issues That Must Be Won -- The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the USA | Amped Status http://ampedstatus.com/part-vi-how-to-fight-back-and-win-common-ground-issues-that-must-be-won-the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-usa For the record, I don't think that is a bad initial parliamentary set of demands. This is part of the 'through the vote, given vote procedure' struggle, which is a soft/weak form of struggle, however it can be greatly succesful if done in time. If it is not done in time it is still a great way to start a resistence in an honorable way around an honorable constructive set of demands. After winning bloody battles with police-state thugs and whatever criminals they are going to hire for their "freedom armies," having started on an honorable and peaceful ground, you have something to look forward to. The thing has a direction. I miss 2 things, but they are not contradictory and can be engineered into it: 1. I miss the consiousness that America should not be an empire of global or even Continental domination. That a democracy is stronger, more honorable, when it is a Government over fewer people. The ties people / gov are stronger then. So the emphasis would naturally be on the state governments, to the possible detriment or even removal of the federal Government (and of course collapsing the global USA empire). You can connect that easily with rebuilding the local/home market, reducing import/export, be a sovereign nation with a functioning coherent economies again. 2. There was an absence of recognizing that any movement could become corrupt again as well, which is merely another case of what we see with Governments in general isn't it, including these new ones. However they did want to start new small parties, but did not specify internal protocols for them to keep them 'righteous' (under control of the members). By the way: you have a winner-takes all political system, if you go for the coalition model small parties will flourish as they do in Holland. Fix that law, and you could end up with a myriad of political parties (who nevertheless could all be wrong, as they are in Holland, but still it could be a bit better wrt gov corruption.) Then it was said that the amount of gun-purchasing had reached 'alarming' levels ? I'd rather say 'hopeful levels.' More guns in the hands of civilian militia, means more potential to win a war against a possible thuggish police state. That site wanted to try the parliamentary road, which may be honorable, but it can be shut down by an opression. If so, you need to break through that opression, which can require violenc. If 'they' know the USA people will fight for their voting rigths, they are more hesitent to close the voting process off through a combination of force, lies and manipulations. Therefore by merely being there as a force, you can make the parliamentary way win where it otherwise could have failed. * On the question of how to win this fight against a police state, which i not adressed by mentioned link: I think you have to prevent premature uprising, while also preventing disarmement. You'd have to resist provocateuring, because if the resistance doesn't rise up as a great mass the enemy might win. To rise up as a great mass, rather then one duck at a time for them to pick up, it is best to wait until the outrage of the people reaches high. This Huckaree militia that wanted to strike premature to incite a rebellion: let that lame duck be picked off then. You got to rise up as one force, ideally suddenly and *massively*, backed by most people including the soldiers and police (those who are not hardcore thugs anyway). They could attempt to disarm the people maybe, as a way of provocation too. It is hard to say when you should rise up in a great mass, I bet a lot of people are pondering that question too (and the enemies are on it too probably, though they have probably worked on these issues for years). It could end up being a very tough war, but who can tell. Like that site said quite rightly: the longer you wait with action the harder it is going to get. Ask the traditional native indians for help, they are the world greatest war fighters, but be careful for those who adopted to the american ways, or are part of the american government recognized councils, they may be penetrated by corrupt people, can't trust that. I'm grasping at straws you know. Don't let the thugs murder the indians.