. . Subject: Re: Not by your fist, but with a cup of tea: don't listen to the 'traditional' socialist orgs and their immature ... . . . . . . > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Lol, that's pretty shameless isn't it (though politically logical, how can you not be for your own group/organization.) They are going to be the moral force, just cling to them ? At what point will they turn into the opressors ? I'm not pointing to me or my "organization" to be "the voice." My stuff is a /system/ of objective law, designed to make the voice and will of the group emerge continually, all the time new and fresh. This would quite litterally mean that once I turn corrupt and ruling class, the laws and systems are in place to prevent any word I say to be done, and to remove any position I might have clawed out for myself to be removed in 1 day (even within hours). That is the difference between an objective program and demands, and making up more vagueries that the left (as any political grouping) is so famous for, with few but most notable exceptions. Exceptions which seem to comprise the most heroic episodes of the history of humanity, such as the demand for the vote as such, or the rebellion of the jewish slaves in Egypt, who carried forward a detailed objective plan (law), ... the French and American revolutions are still cherished today, because they made objective legal demands, stuff written down, being independent of whatever tool or corrupt person would be saying. "A fair wage," is nothing but psychobabble, knowing that something like that is not going to be stable. "Our share of the power," likewise. It means nothing. Revolution by commercial, by slogan. It is nothing, its results don't last. I dare guess any sane person knows this. Which begs the question: where is the big debate ? Where are we going to make our better objective laws for ourselves ? Which begs the question: what is wrong with you ? You love death ? Misery ? War is glory ? Mark my words then: you'll get your fill, don't worry, just go on with doing what you've been doing.