. . Subject: Re: How much Elitism is acceptable? . . . . . . > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... It does take skill and knowledge, but it is a service to the masses, who undergo its results. The ultimate decision is therefore up to the masses. The masses will say - and they most definitely do - "we want *safe* nuclear reactors (or indeed none at all)." Then they commission the engineers to make it so, and they will then undergo the results over time, causing the people to demand more safety when needed. The masses are the judge of what should roughly happen, then specialists do it. You can take the word 'elitism' in two ways I guess: - what the true 'best of the best' say gets done - a group imagines themselves to be the best of the best, and therefore overrides the wishes of the masses (called elitism in normal speech). > ... > ... > ... > ... Obviously she is not outside of the machine, or nobody would have heard of her. She is probably extremely incopmetent though, maybe that attracts people because they think 'she is so incompetent, her random deeds are at least better then those cunning evil schemes of those in power, who require great skill.' But the people are wrong again (as usual): an incompetent will be the toy of other forces, the more incompetent, the easier pushed around with stupid arguments from top level advisors. > ... The USA is an empire, therefore everything it does is detrimental and evil. The main reason is probably that it is so large and complex that the bond Government/people has to snap, even under the best of conditions. It is simply unmanageably large. A more competent law maker or politician should probably first cut it up, tie the masses as judge over the Government (that is at least what I would do) and then work in one of the created nations to make it better. Empires breed elitism, elitism breeds war and opression, exploitation, mismanagement. Subject: Re: How much Elitism is acceptable? > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... And good luck trying. Why not ? As long as you've a good Constitution allowing freedom of speech/thought, organization, what can go wrong ? Why bother. If need be (if living together is not possible) let them have their own nation(s). Truth and popular opinion are usually at odds, but that doesn't mean popular opinion shouldn't rule the nation. It should because an error is likely the result and most people would learn something from it. If they can't make their mistakes they can't find out what is wrong with them. If we can get enough people who want democracy and justice together ... we should be able to create a sovereign nation (the world empires would need to collapse for that though, they oppress free national initiative.) . Subject: Re: How much Elitism is acceptable? . . . . . . > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... That's the point: if you make laws around this you could prevent a few of them, maybe. If not such laws, then ? Let's conquer the world by imperial domination, but that's just another word for war too.